Dude! I was pulling your leg bit. If you reflect some of your posts approach mine in length! ":O} So when they do, I first give it a fast read. Then I start at the beginning. I make a real effort to understand what your concerns are on a point by point bases. Then as I go along I ask myself the same question I ask when I am writing.. . "Is this true" Does this reflect the world as If have experienced it? I don't like issues in isolation. I like to try and see the whole, to see it's nature (The way a thing moves in order to fulfill it's self) This with very little effort on my part leads to all sorts of entanglements when I try to express what I am seeing. The wonderful thing about reason is that it's just so sequential! LOL When I say reason should be primal, the first thing we reach for, I of course mean in action. Even when the only action takes place within ones own mind. But prior to reason and it's foundation, The true reason for reason is perception. The ascertainment of fact has nothing to do with reason. When people aren't clear about this they can easily misrepresent almost any given situation to themselves. Facts do not exist outside of things. Facts are a description of a thing and of things and ultimately facts describe the workings of things. Facts are only used by reason, facts live in our perception, So does every thing depend upon the eye of the beholder? While beauty may indeed reside there Truth does not. Truth resides in the world at large. The world in it's entirety is spiritual law made physically manifest. A law not external to things but inherent within them. :The energy carries the law The law regulates the energy Put another way The creative force and the receptive force, or God and his bride. Holy Holy Holy. So in any effort to speak clearly about about my own perception that seeks to know things as a single piece of cloth upon which my truth is written ,is bound to go far afield. I start out trying to answer you point for point but then, unless I have a very dull day indeed, my muse let's her scent linger supine across my imagination. And I end up typing exactly what she tells me to and will follow her into the most outrageously circumventual responses. And I post them!! You see I think she knows great big bunches about you and me that I do not or not always. She expresses things in ways that often take me me surprise. She carries waters from a deeper well. So I steal her answers and give them to others as if they were my own. I certainly recognize all my aspirations in her answers. So now it's your job to figure out if this is a proper answer that brings understanding or if I'm just off being dazzled by my muse again. Once you grab a tiger by the tail the very worse thing you can do is let her go! I don' think our conversations reflect badly upon either of us. We are looking out into our worlds and we encounter one another. How should we ignore what's been placed in front of us? I like these little adventures we have together. And as much as I like oppressing you I do my very best to be clear and cogent as I am sure you do as well. In the long run disagreements are and will be impossible to avoid. This is of little consequence. So long as we each see that our best interests lie in holding together such disagreements will always be a quickly passing matter. We are just following our own natural inclinations. "That's way God planed it, That's the way God meant it to be"