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On acquiring your first copy of the I-Ching

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  1. Daniel~

    Daniel~ Chief BBS Administrator Staff Member

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    Please note that I'm taking the following from several previous post in response to questions asked By Cloasters.we are in his debt in this regard.

    This translation is widely and quite properly regarded as being by far Superior to any other.

    The I-Ching or Book of Changes.
    The Richard Wilhelm Translation
    Rendered into English by Cary f. Baynes

    Forward by C.G. Jung

    Preface to the Third Edition By Hellmut Wilhelm (Son of Richard Wilhelm)

    The Bollingen Series XIX Princeton University Press.

    It's beautiful Book. Princeton went all out to give the I Ching a suitable home in the new world.


    My current copy is at lest 20 years old so you may Find the Book you buy differs slightly in set up or foreword.

    But as Princeton Revers the Oracle as I do, you need not fear anything will be lost.

    BTW It took Wilhelm over twenty years to complete his translation. He Worked with a Classical Chinese Scholar, THE Chinese scholar of his day and his students all trained in the traditional manner.

    He/We are very fortunate as they were the last of their kind. Revolution came to China and I-Ching was banned as backward thinking.

    Not the first time the Oracle has been band in China...Sigh
    The last of China's Classical Scholars were scattered, their fates unknown to me.

    the next step that was needed for the I-Ching to reach us in English was in the firm and steady hands of Cary f. Baynes

    Cary Began {At Wilhelm's request, As Cary was a truly formidable scholar and translator.) to translate The Book from German into English.

    They took incredible pains first taking the German translation
    into English. Then giving the English version to be translated back into Chinese, Only when Wilhelm and the Chinese Scholars were satisfied did they go to press.

    This information will all be available to you in the copy your buying. I just wanted to alert you to it's availability.

    You'll want to buy it new. You don't want to let Anyone you aren't very close to touch or handle your copy. When not in use place the Book on a high shelf.

    (To be honest I don't really know why...I have this from my Teacher
    and I never got around to asking him.":O}

    But as he was my teacher and beloved, I do it.

    I would definitely go for the hard bound copy.

    I've been thinking about how I might best assist you in this new beginning.

    As your the first to show an interest, I thought we might just go private
    and use e-mail.

    But that doesn't really satisfy the spirit of the Oracle, which is always inclusive. Always seeking to bring as many as possible into the light.

    Rather than make this topic exclusively about the use of an Oracle
    ( although that's our primary purpose.}

    Others may share our interest, yet approach that interest from another direction, from another tradition of faith and thought.The Book has a generous and loving nature It's very purpose is to
    "save all that can be saved".
    To remove the barriers that divide men....where ever possible.
    .
    Oh! The paper Book cover!
    I feel you should replace it with a leather protective cover.
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    cloasters Well-Known Member

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    The book is on the way from Amazon, wonder if that pilot's strike is prolonging shipping time? Should get it soon. Thank you Daniel~ for your invaluable assistance with this totally new area for me!
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    Only to happy to share the main wellspring of my life. Holidays my friend, always screws up shipping. ":O}
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    Let's see... it's Jan1. I hope I'll open the book for the first time tomorrow.
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    Well, your sure as hell can't open it for the first time yesterday
    ( That's there in your book somewhere!":O})

    You time will come George! ":O}
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    A sentence that can be taken many different ways. And not all of them good. Sigh.
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    Daniel~ Chief BBS Administrator Staff Member

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    As long as YOUR the one who decides between them, How can you go wrong! LOL
    Or
    "How do I love thee, let me count the ways!"
    Or
    "Let's give love a numerical expression!!? ":O}
    (My apologizes to dear Emily D.)
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    I can't help thinking that the arrival of George's tome is more frustrating than awaiting a pregnancy test. lolz

    Is it soup yet? :)
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    I haven't watched tv for years. Amazing how stale those old commercials were. If you play it through to the end two new Youtube possibilities come up. I chose the four minute Bill Murray one. The staged heckler looks a bit like the kid in the soup commercial, but he's older. Go Finger Lakes!

    Happy to say that I'm not pregnant, I'm just reluctant to admit more self-criticism into my self criticism.
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    ThunderRd Irreverent Query Chairman Staff Member

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    IDK which was worse, the Lipton's soup or the commercial.
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    The soup was bad...but the commercial may have blemished the souls of 10,000,000 mothers who knew the soup was bad but were just to tired to care..
    God bless'em.
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    Your sure? Not even a little bit? Cuse if your even just a little bit...I think we can make some money here!
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    "Yesterday upon the stair
    I met a man who wasn't there.

    He wasn't there again today
    I wish that man would go away.

    Who Did I meet George?
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    It would be very difficult to go away, but if that's what you wish...
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    The Lipton's with only very small noodles wasn't bad. On a cold day it hit the spot.
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    Oh George, I do have to be more careful!

    "Yesterday upon the Stair"

    Stairs go up and down, so while ascending or descending.

    "I met a man who wasn't there."

    The only person we might meet who isn't there is some version of oneself. A part identifiable by it's absence.

    "He wasn't there again today"

    So we note a continuing absence. Some part of oneself that is not present within us, yet we encounter when ascending or descending. Some part of ourselves not yet a part of ourselves.

    I think, this "Missing person" is our dream of becoming the man or woman we wish to be but are not.

    "He wasn't there again today."

    The man we wish to be has not yet arrived.

    "I wish that man would go away."

    So we are being haunted by the man we wish we were.
    But in being so haunted we miss the person we are and encounter who we are not yet .( when ascending)
    And have lost the person we once were (when descending.)

    If one could give up ones ambition "That man" might just go away replaced by the man we are.

    "In advancing and retreating one must go with the time"
    I-Ching

    At least this is my take on this quote.
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    Amazing, I obviously greatly misunderstood your post. Sorry I didn't pick up the clue phone--my ears aren't improving with ancientness.
    Remember the Dave Clark Five's "Glad all Over?" When my family lived just outside of WA DC I listened to a small transistor radio that tuned in NY, Boston and Chicago stations at night under the covers. The local AM radio stations just didn't get the new and "happening" music. That was so long ago that FM didn't really exist.
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    I was around 13 or14 when I tunned into Wolf man Jack "Coming at you with
    "ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND WATTS OF POWEERR!!

    Seems like something TR might remember as well

    . If my friend hadn't saved every penny he could get his hands on to buy one 45's at one dollar and one cent
    each week.
    I ;might have been stuck listening to Pat Boone for god knows how long. But Cecil had unerring taste...

    And I learned later a much more powerful receiver!! The little bastard was picking up "Race Music" stations
    ID'ing the hits and buying them one week at a time. But as I was always the first one he invited over each week., when I put it together I kept my mouth shut.

    BUT! The very first time I heard rock and roll and knew it was rock and roll was "Charlie Brown by the Coasters.. 3rd grade I think in another friends garage as his mother wouldn't let him play it in the house! ":O}
    "He walks in the classroom cool and slow,
    Who calls the English teacher daddyo?

    I thought that was the funnest thing I'd ever hear! ":O}
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    Oh yeah, "Charlie Brown" was one of the greats. Didn't know it was released in 1959, I doubt I heard it before the Sixties began.

    "The mighty XERB." It was a Mexican AM station right below the border and it's antenna was tuned to send everything north. It's nice that "American Graffiti" paid homage to Wolfman Jack. I heard him after I moved to southern California in 1964. What a great entertainer!

    Being stuck in Pat Boon Land? The horror!!
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    Unwrapped my copy of the I-Ching. And it's only the 9th of Jan!

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