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  1. cloasters

    cloasters Well-Known Member

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    Howdy, sorry for the paucity of posts here. M$ just killed themselves forever. How? They are retrofitting some of the truly horrible snooping for money and for the gummint features from Win10 to Win 7 and 8.1. They'll squeeze all of them in at their convenience. It's bye bye to those creeps ASAP.

    I have zero interest in gaming on the PC, in any OS. Please folks, I need an easy brand of Linux to install, with NO gaming ability at all. I read that KDE is well implemented in Ubuntu. Mint ain't got it. Daniel ~ was very enthused about Mint for gaming few years back. As I wrote, I want no gaming ability at all. Just an easy distro for Web crawling and not much else, please. Thank you!
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    For KDE Kubuntu is your best bet, honestly if you put it like that any distro is good as the requirements can by done by any distro. But yea, go for Kubuntu. Linux Mint is also great, you don't have to play with it.
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    Gizmo Chief Site Administrator Staff Member

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    I normally am a pretty big fan of Fedora, but F22 is.....err....."lacking in polish", shall we say? Also, Fedora is really focused on Gnome, and KDE doesn't get the attention it deserves (I say that from the standpoint of someone who uses KDE rather than Gnome on Fedora).

    I think I would go with allenskd's recommendation of Kubuntu.
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    cloasters Well-Known Member

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    Thank you very much for your rapid replies! I hadn't heard of Kubuntu, I will have a look at it.

    Sorry to be a bother, but is getting the driver right for Nvidia vidcards always a problem? IIRC, a third party driver worked well with SuSE approximately fifteen years ago. Is there any reason to eschew Nvidia cards because of Linux? Thank you very much for your help!
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    Gizmo Chief Site Administrator Staff Member

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    If you aren't looking to do any gaming, the Nuveau drivers will probably be more than adequate for your nVidia card needs.
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    I've experienced crashes with nouveau drivers + nvidia card to the point of a system freeze since it occurs at the driver level, personally I would just advice to use stable nvidia drivers. The good part however is that most modern Ubuntu systems comes with a tool called "ubuntu-drivers" (made a little post about it too) it's incredibly helpful.

    For posterity all you need to type is

    $ sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall

    It may not be a silver bullet, but should cover most common cases. If you don't like the terminal, ubuntu-drivers is actually provided with a graphical interface in Kubuntu when you go to `System Settings -> Driver Manager`
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    Gizmo Chief Site Administrator Staff Member

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    ORLY?! Interesting that the nouveau drivers are causing you issues, as I was under the impression they had progressed to a pretty solid platform as long as you stayed away from 3D.

    In any case, agreed that the stable nvidias are USUALLY the best approach if they are easy to install.
  8. booman

    booman Grand High Exalted Mystic Emperor of Linux Gaming Staff Member

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    I've finally decided Mint is my favorite distro "hands down"!
    I have played with Ubuntu a few times and end up frustrated because I can't find something.

    Mint is great because they have themes where you can make the window decorations look like Windows 7
    Mint also comes with a Driver Manager and downloads the Nvidia drivers with a single click.
    I constantly have success with Mint every time I use it.
    Now I'm running it on 2 desktops, 1 all-in-one touchscreen desktop, 4 laptops and my desktop at work.

    I still use Fedora on my server and Ubuntu on my chromebook.
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    cloasters Well-Known Member

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    Thank you all very much for your lightning like helpful replies! Ugh, now things become more complicated. I have great respect for Gizmo, he's been incredibly helpful for many years. allenskd seems very knowledgeable yet booman is the big daddy around here. Or at least it seems that way. I don't want to discount any of you guys!

    booman, my problem with Mint is that I afaik you're forced into a Gnome desktop. I hated Gnome fifteen years ago and it looks like lots of folks still do. I'm certain that Mint is the cat's meow for gamers, but all I need is web crawling and email, tbh. I can't play computer games worth a phart in the wind, so I don't need or want any gaming capability in Linux.

    So Nvidia supplies drivers in Linux format? Can't complain about that! Thank you all a lot for your help!
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    ThunderRd Irreverent Query Chairman Staff Member

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    George, whatever distro you end up with, never fear. There are plenty of folks here to help out if you run into a problem, and there are no reasons at all to think about changing your nVidia card. It will work fine.

    Hey, if we were able to get Daniel running, you'll be a slam-dunk, lolz.
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    booman Grand High Exalted Mystic Emperor of Linux Gaming Staff Member

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    Yeah, I knew you didn't want to game...
    I'm not sure what everyone hated about Gnome, but I use Cinnamon Desktop and it absolutely ROCKS!
    I don't know if its based on Gnome?
    Since I've mostly been a Windows users, Mint Cinnamon really makes the most sense. It has the Start Menu with categories for all of your applications and places. You can even fully customize the menu!
    You can right-click any folder/file and change permissions or the icon
    You can make quick shortcuts to programs/folders/files by right-clicking
    The System Settings is very similar to Control Panel
    Even the Panel at the bottom (Taskbar) can be moved anywhere and customized like a Quickstart bar and Systems tray.

    With Ubuntu and Unity I can figure out how to do most of these things, but with Fedora I can mostly find all the programs I need and place shortcuts in the panel at the top.

    ThunderRd is right!
    Any distro you choose, we can help you!
    Also, try creating a USB drive with Linux on it, then you can "trial" any distro you want without disturbing Windows.
    Universal USB Installer

    Use this HP USB tool to format your flash drive
    HP USB Tool
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    Thank you very much, booman. Cinnamon is probably built on top of Gnome. Daniel ~ was very enthused about Cinnamon and I imagine it's even better nowadays. Are all USB data sticks APITA in their own way? I find Sandisk Cruzers to be quite annoying. Any suggestions? Thanks a bunch!
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    booman Grand High Exalted Mystic Emperor of Linux Gaming Staff Member

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    The easiest/cheapest way is to go to Walmart and pick up a 4 GB or 8 GB flash drive.
    If you are still using Windows then use the above HP USB tool to format the flash drive.
    Then download the distro you want to use and use Universal USB tool to install it.

    Most of the popular distro's have a "live disc" version where you can just run it off a flash drive and play around with Linux.
    I've even been able to apply extra space with Universal USB tool and then update Mint on the flash drive its-self.
    Anyways, trialing Linux this way allows you to play with hardware/software/internet/some games/etc without installing it on your hard drive.

    If the desktop manager is the deal-breaker for you, ironically you can install other desktop environments with your package manager.
    For example, you can install Ubuntu 14 and it comes with Unity desktop. You can use Synaptic Package Manager to install Cinnamon desktop, Gnome desktop, KDE desktop and many others.
    Then when you login just select the session you want to try.

    I don't think you can do all of this with a Flash Drive, but once you install the Distro you want, then play around with other desktops.

    My limited views of Desktop Environments:
    Unity - Tablet like functionality desktop (top panel/left dashboard)
    Unity 2D - Classic Linux/OSX desktop (top panel)
    Cinnamon - Windows like desktop (bottom panel/menu)
    Gnome - Classic Linux/OSX desktop (top panel/left dashboard)
    KDE - Windows like desktop (bottom panel/menu)
    Xfce - Classic Linux/OSX desktop (top panel)
    Mate - Classic Linux/OSX desktop (top panel)
    LXDE - Windows like desktop (bottom panel/menu)
    Openbox - Blank Slate (no desktop, no panels, no menu's)
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    Thank you very much booman! I'll buy some "clean" flash drives and get to it, fingers are crossed. Thank you all a bunch for your help!
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    I think you have to forget your past experiences with Gnome and Linux in general. Things have come so far, even in the 7 or 8 years I have used it extensively, that 15 year old memories are moot. As far as the environment goes, there are many, many choices. Everyone has his preference. I happen to be partial to Xfce, it's light, fast, and simple, but on my main machine I don't even use a desktop environment, just a tiling window manager (Xmonad) without all the bells and whistles of a DE.

    As for why some folks didn't like Gnome, it was mostly because Gnome acquired a reputation of getting too bloated, and having too many dependencies. On some equipment, this made it slow and somewhat clunky, but IDT that is the case as much anymore. That is why I grew to like Xfce; it never had those problems. In any case, don't think about that. Try them and see for yourself. If Gnome is sluggish on your box, try Xfce or another, light DE.

    The *major* DEs are all 'windows-like' enough to be intuitive for former windows users. Bare WMs are not. They require more experience, and can be tough to set up. The DEs are all packaged to be easy setups.

    For you, George, I think that you would find all of the major DEs easy to use, but you'll be able to establish a preference after you try them out. Just get in the water, and we'll help you swim.
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    booman Grand High Exalted Mystic Emperor of Linux Gaming Staff Member

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    Very good points!
    I've come to not like Ubuntu's Unity Desktop because it is very sluggish on older systems with integrated video chipsets. The only fallback is Unity 2D which is nothing like Unity 3D.
    Mint Cinnamon seems to run on anything... old servers, old laptops, Chromebooks, you name it
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    ThunderRd Irreverent Query Chairman Staff Member

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    I'm going to talk about George as if he's not here.

    I really, really want him to have a good Linux experience. He's an asset, and I want to get him over to this site posting full time like he used to on the old site.

    It looks like he's now getting ready to finally commit to the change. I'm looking forward to hearing from him regularly again, and I might even give him a venue for it : something like 'Cloaster's Pearls of Wisdom' [or something like that]

    Come on George, give this a real try, learn to love it, and you get your own forum to opine in. We "don't even need no steenkin case badges" to do it, lolz
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    booman Grand High Exalted Mystic Emperor of Linux Gaming Staff Member

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    Yeah, that would be awesome to have more of the AOA gang here!

    George, do you have any really specific programs you "need" to use that might be Windows dependent?
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    Daniel was rather partial to Gnome 2 (for that matter, so am I). Gnome 3 went and pretty much destroyed everything that made Gnome 2 good and replaced it with something that tried to be all things to all users, and failed so badly that I hurl every time I try to use it. And I have tried. I really, really have. Partly because Gnome is Fedora's DE of choice.

    But
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    Gnome 3 fails so badly, in fact, that the Cinnamon folks took the Gnome 2 codebase, forked it, improved it, and that is what became Cinnamon, which Daniel also likes quite well.

    That said, although I like KDE I'm not overly impressed with the recent Plasma 5 update.
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    The last iterations of Gnome 2 were actually not too bad, IMO, for performance. As for the dependencies and bloat thing, well that doesn't really matter any more, now that systemd is here. It has dependencies on bloody EVERYTHING. Which means that as soon as you have booted, you have pretty well loaded the entire hard drive. 3:):mad::confused:

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